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U.S. Air Force

Postby Bohdan :) on Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:42 pm GMT

hy everyone!! Have anyone of you guys, that are working as a commercial pilot, went to Air force before you went to college or started working?
* How long did you have to serve there?
* Do they pay you while you serve? if yes, how much?
* What do you need to get into Air Force? ( ex: High school diploma, SAT, ACT, FAA medical)
* After you have served your term, can yo still be employed by them, and go to college at the same time?
* How much do they give you for college?
* What are the benefits of going to Air Force?
* If i went to Air Force (as a fighter pilot), and after i served, do i still have to go to flight school, if i want to be a commercial pilot?
* Can i be employed by Air Force and Some Major Airline company at the same time? :fly:
:fly: :lighten:
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Re: U.S. Air Force

Postby admin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:56 pm GMT

Hi Bohdan. Welcome aboard pilotscafe aviation forums.
Although I do not have an air force background, I'll try answering a few of your questions to the best of my knowledge.

The military career is a career by itself. It involves a great deal of challenge, dedication, hard work and luck. Very few of the many who try eventually become military pilots, as it is a very competitive path.
So, If you are looking for a shortcut into the airline industry, this is not the one.

U.S military pilots are officers. As such, they must have a 4-year college degree as a prerequisite.

In case a military career is not a life goal for you, I would suggest going through the civilian route. This route has its challenges as well and will cost quite a bit of money, but it is more suitable to your goals and will probably get you there faster.
Find a flight school that gives you the option to work as a flight instructor at the end of your flight training. Get your ratings, build some flight time, experience and knowledge. When the industry gets back on its feet and the airlines start hire again, you'll be ready for takeoff in the right seat of a brand-new, shiny jet.
Fly safe,
Amir Fleminger
Pilotscafe.com

A few links that might interest you:
Air Force pay chart

http://www.airforce.com/careers/job.php?catg_id=1&sub_catg_id=1&af_job_id=1
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Re: U.S. Air Force

Postby Bohdan :) on Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:28 am GMT

Thank you very much for the reply. :)
As you said, Air force is not the shortest way. But this is the best way for me. Because i cannot afford paying for flight school. Even when i take the student loan, im going to be paying it off for many years.
I have a friend, he works as a pilot. HE finished Ohio state univ. The all education costed him about 160,000$. He worked in regional airline for 6 years, and just now he got into Major one. And he still paying of his debt.
So if i go to Air Force. I shall get my private licence there, get many experience. They will pay for my education in college.
Then, they will be paying me while i serve. After i serve my 4 years, i think i can still be employed by them, and go to college. When i finish college ( Thinking about ERAU). I shall have a good chance getting into major Airline.
If you have a better way on your mind, please tellme about it. :)
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Re: U.S. Air Force

Postby admin on Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:36 pm GMT

What I would suggest (if you really want this) is to just start. Work on your pilot ratings, at least the private license for now. See if you like it or not.
It doesn't have to be a school with fancy advertisements in Flying magazine or shiny brochures. It does not have to be a college (you have many years before you will need the college degree if an airline career is your goal) or a so called "flight academy". All you need is a good instructor and an airplane. Many flight schools/ FBOs provide that. You will have to shop around.
Many pilots have been in your shoes before. How would I pay for all this? You have a few options:
1. find a job, any job. and work on the ratings in a pace you can afford. two hours this month, 5 hours next month. What ever you can handle financially. Lower your monthly expenses as much as possible. This can get you started right away.
2. Get a loan and pay it later. You'll be able to finish your ratings fairly quickly if you are motivated and study hard. Just remember, this money has to be returned, usually with interest; so spend it wisely.

These are the two main paths for financing your pilot career. Many airline pilots (if not most) today were in your shoes and did not have much money when they started.

One last thing I want to suggest is that you lower your expectations. Sad to say, but chances are you will not work for a major airline in the next four (or even seven) years. It takes time, lot's of work and money.
let me suggest a fictional, but typical career path:
  • 1-3 years: get your pilot and flight instructor licenses: Private, Instrument, Commercial, Multi-engine commercial, CFI, CFII, MEI.
  • 1-2 years: Work as a flight instructor (or build time in any other way).
  • start working on your bachelor degree (can take 3 years if credited one year with your pilot ratings)
  • 1.5-4 years Work as a regional airline FO. (Company normally pays for Second in Command type rating if required)
  • 2-3 years: Work as a regional captain. Gain 500-1000 PIC time on jets before moving on. (company normally pays for type rating + ATP)
  • 5-7 years: Major airline FO
  • Major Airline captain
totals: 2-5 years to start working as a regional pilot
4-12 years to get a Major airline job.
9-19 years to become a Major airline captain.

There are a few possible shortcuts such as accelerated training schools and airline bridge programs, and they DO work SOMETIMES. You will be guaranteed an interview, but your flying skills may not be good enough yet for the airlines. I know people in my regional airline that were hired with as little as 400 hours after graduating a airline bridge program, but they are the rare exception.
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Re: U.S. Air Force

Postby sarapova on Fri May 01, 2009 5:24 am GMT

Is there any Air Force academy around the world that accepts foreign applicants? I was thinking that maybe there are European Union countries that allow other EU countries' citizens to apply for their Air Force academies. If you don't know, any ideas where to ask to?
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